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Mary Jane Kelly at Salvation Army Sunday service

Post by Guest on Sat 29 Nov 2014 - 11:25

Just before her murder, Mary Jane Kelly was at a Salvation Army Sunday service held by a "Captain Walker and her lieutenant."
She even sang out of the same hymn book as the Captain.

The information was published in 2012 in Peter Stubley's book 1888: London Murders in the Year of the Ripper, and it comes from The War Cry, issue Dec. 1st, 1888. (You can find the footnote #126 a couple of paragraphs down.)

[url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=QZ87AwAAQBAJ&pg=PT122&lpg=PT122&dq=peter+stubley+kelly+ripper+cooke&source=bl&ots=Mmxmz38Ub6&sig=216qn96iGzOX5G3HN12dqawRjeo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=c_J5VLHIAvX9sATri4CgDw&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=peter stubley kelly ripper]http://books.google.ca/books?id=QZ87AwAAQBAJ&pg=PT122&lpg=PT122&dq=peter+stubley+kelly+ripper+cooke&source=bl&ots=Mmxmz38Ub6&sig=216qn96iGzOX5G3HN12dqawRjeo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=c_J5VLHIAvX9sATri4CgDw&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=peter%20stubley%20kelly%20ripper%20cooke&f=false[/url]

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Re: Mary Jane Kelly at Salvation Army Sunday service

Post by Guest on Mon 1 Dec 2014 - 11:40

May I mention that I came into online Ripperology recently with a Salvation Army theory - i.e. the Salvation Army helped Mary Kelly with her mystery child - and then I was able to find a reference in a new Ripper-related book on Google Books with a War Cry quote about Kelly attending the Salvation Army service.

Does this mean this working premise is a good one? If paying off means anything...

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Re: Mary Jane Kelly at Salvation Army Sunday service

Post by Guest on Mon 1 Dec 2014 - 11:47

The Salvation Army International Heritage Centre in London has been helpful in my attempt to identify "Captain Walker".

I was told by the archive assistant that Captain Walker was a slum officer and that there was a reference to a Captain Walker working in a Glasgow slum post in 1890, but no other information can be furnished because most of the career records were lost.

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Re: Mary Jane Kelly at Salvation Army Sunday service

Post by Guest on Tue 2 Dec 2014 - 18:57

SALVATIONISTS AS DETECTIVES.

It is understood that the responsible heads of the Salvation Army social and rescue work in the East-end have under consideration the advisability of doing something through their organisation towards tracing the terrible "Jack the Ripper." The notion is that it might be possible, through the Salvationist organisation, which gets so thoroughly into the nooks and by-ways and recesses of East-end life, to obtain some club which might lead to the discovery of the miscreant. The slum sisters who go about among the very poorest dwellers in the East-end, the rescue girls who endeavour to seek out and reclaim fallen women, the prison-gate brigade, those three agencies of the Salvation Army, it is felt, might go a fair way towards getting on the track of "The Ripper." A scrap of rumour may be picked up here by a slum sister, a point of information somewhere else by a rescue sister, or there might be carried to the knowledge of the Salvationist workers information which a wretched man or woman, in terror of self-apprehension, would not dare to convey to the police. In this way it is conceivable that something might be achieved for the ends of justice, only the Salvationists are slow to take any step which could give provocation for the charge that they were going outside their province.

Source: Lloyd's Weekly London Newspaper, February 22, 1891, Page 4

http://victorianripper.niceboard.org/t1051p10-details-on-the-murder-of-frances-coles

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Re: Mary Jane Kelly at Salvation Army Sunday service

Post by Guest on Tue 2 Dec 2014 - 19:07

"...the Salvationists are slow to take any step which could give provocation for the charge that they were going outside their province."
previous post

That would explain why the Salvation Army Slum Sisters never said anything about Mary Kelly or her baby, although somehow the Sisters of Mercy may have found out about it and fingered Kelly as the reason for the murders.

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Re: Mary Jane Kelly at Salvation Army Sunday service

Post by Mr Hyde on Fri 5 Dec 2014 - 7:38

What baby?

 Captain Walker would have been married to a male Salvation Army Officer,if that helps.

 Doubt Jack the Ripper's identity was that big a secret in some quarters.

 The Sisters of Mercy up the road from Dorset Street,probably had a good idea of what actually happened.

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Re: Mary Jane Kelly at Salvation Army Sunday service

Post by Guest on Fri 5 Dec 2014 - 10:50

Mr Hyde wrote:What baby?

 Captain Walker would have been married to a male Salvation Army Officer,if that helps.
Sorry, Hyde - "alleged baby".

I think most of the slum sisters were single. There are pictures of them all together with Staff-Captain James J Cooke.

There's also a War Cry article with an interview with a Capt. W__ in Whitechapel. She says her relatives are asking her to get a transfer. She doesn't sound married, although she might have gotten married soon afterward and that's why she's hard to ID.

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Re: Mary Jane Kelly at Salvation Army Sunday service

Post by Guest on Sat 6 Dec 2014 - 20:05

Here's another mention of Mary Kelly in the War Cry.


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Pictures (drawings) of Slum Sisters

Post by Guest on Sat 20 Dec 2014 - 11:50

The Slum Sisters in The London Illustrated News,
March 3, 1888. 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Antiker-Druck-Elendsviertel-Schwester-Service-Heilsarmee-Webb-Koch-M%C3%A4dchen-1888/dp/B00800T9LI

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Re: Mary Jane Kelly at Salvation Army Sunday service

Post by Guest on Wed 24 Dec 2014 - 19:01

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Re: Mary Jane Kelly at Salvation Army Sunday service

Post by Guest on Thu 1 Jan 2015 - 13:08

Here's George being arrested for obstructing a thoroughfare and refusing to swear an oath in court. He's in Exeter in 1888 which puts him and his wife near London at the right time.

[url=https://books.google.ca/books?id=jS8rAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA300&lpg=PA300&dq=officer+george+walker+"salvation+army"&source=bl&ots=s2jdBhaTVT&sig=X9UoOp8B7yPdOQy_bSPxVUox-P8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=UIulVM3NBsScyATigIKgAw&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=officer george walker "salvation]https://books.google.ca/books?id=jS8rAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA300&lpg=PA300&dq=officer+george+walker+%22salvation+army%22&source=bl&ots=s2jdBhaTVT&sig=X9UoOp8B7yPdOQy_bSPxVUox-P8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=UIulVM3NBsScyATigIKgAw&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=officer%20george%20walker%20%22salvation%20army%22&f=false[/url]

It looks like Henulthie is really Henrietta. They are in Cheshire in 1901 with a 15 year old daughter, Sybil. It looks like they're retired from the SA. George is a baker.

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Re: Mary Jane Kelly at Salvation Army Sunday service

Post by Guest on Mon 5 Jan 2015 - 16:28

Here's another Captain Walker who was visiting Canada in December 1888 with some "English lasses". I found her in The War Cry - transcript and link to transcript below. 

She would be the Salvationist listed as Marie Walker 23 on the manifest of a ship from Liverpool in November 1888. (Our Capt. Walker was last reported singing hymns with Mary Kelly a few Sundays before Mary's death on November 9th.)

The transcript is pretty bad. I had to fix it up.

https://archive.org/stream/war-cry-1888_12_29M/1888_12_29M_djvu.txt

"We start with a rousing march down 
Queen Street where we hold a short open- 
air stand. Inside we welcomed the. 
English lasses who were received with 
hearty volleys, ..........The strangers were called upon to 
testify and let as to now how they were 
getting on in their souls. Cpt. Walker 
said that God was leading her, and she 
had made up her mind to follow, she was 
going to love the Canadian people."

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Re: Mary Jane Kelly at Salvation Army Sunday service

Post by Guest on Thu 8 Jan 2015 - 16:00

After the visit in 1888, she went back to England, and returned to Canada from Liverpool in 1894.

Her name on the ship's list is Mary Ann Walker 28. Her destination is Revelstoke, B.C.

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