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A Mary Jane Kelly document

Post by Guest on Thu 5 Dec 2013 - 23:12

Find more clues to the identity of the mysterious Mary Jane Kelly...
http://www.scribd.com/doc/162927843/Grail-Killers-3-Mary-Jane-Kelly

Read the story and follow the clues to find out who the 'real' Mary Jane Kelly was and maybe even find out who was Jack the Ripper...

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Re: A Mary Jane Kelly document

Post by Wally on Sat 7 Dec 2013 - 8:24

Who dreamt that up, Buono. Lol. 

It was a bit strange to say the least.

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Re: A Mary Jane Kelly document

Post by Guest on Sat 22 Mar 2014 - 18:36

There's some Arthurian legend and Christian imagination going on here.

The main character is looking for a type of Grail.

A son is sent on a mission by the father and then, when he's finished, he returns to his father's house and takes his place. I have to like that.

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Re: A Mary Jane Kelly document

Post by Guest on Tue 25 Mar 2014 - 18:49

Mary lends herself to such speculative endeavors.

You have a room with Mary and Joseph and rumors of a child. And Joseph is not the real father. The father is someone special.

I figured it out. I followed the clues and believe I know who he is.

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Re: A Mary Jane Kelly document

Post by Guest on Thu 26 Jun 2014 - 19:42

In the interest of adding more images to the boards:

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/?ACT=26&fid=5&aid=1313_Z8pXhgyucS4hTARn1s1V&board_id=1

I guess you have to copy and paste. This image/document originally comes from Hoax Museum Forum.

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Re: A Mary Jane Kelly document

Post by Mr Hyde on Mon 7 Jul 2014 - 4:46



I figured it out. I followed the clues and believe I know who he is.

 Oh....our Mary and Joseph....no you haven't!

 Finally worked out how he gained entry....Mary let him in.

 Hutchinson was enlisted as a lookout....for a blackmail payoff,not a murder.

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Re: A Mary Jane Kelly document

Post by Guest on Mon 7 Jul 2014 - 14:37

You're "theory-soon-to-be-movie" sounds like it has all the makings of a good conspiracy film. Black Dahlia style.

Blackmail. Black Mary?

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Re: A Mary Jane Kelly document

Post by Mr Hyde on Mon 7 Jul 2014 - 20:38

Um...yet to be written movie.....

 Recently in contact with the son of the screenwriter for the first James Bond movies. Thanks!

 Black Dahlia....Liz Short....

 Like your Black Mary idea. Often thought she might have been bi-polar or MPD.

 Dr. Phillips quick move for a pardon was no doubt for Hutchinson.

 Gets even murkier then.

 Yep,this movie is gonna be a ripper!

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Re: A Mary Jane Kelly document

Post by Mr Hyde on Fri 1 Aug 2014 - 22:03

Dr. Phillips lived at Spital Square.

Hutchinson's mother had custody of a child who's father resided at 7 Primrose Street.

Both are the extensions of Hanbury Street.A route taken most days by "Jack".

The day of the 1881 Census,Jack was on holidays.A colleague was listed there instead.

One of the "suspects" used to live next door.

All these years and nobody has woken up to my "handle".

My main PC is out of order,so the above is from memory.

Incidentally,I strongly suspect Kate Eddowes arrived back from Kent a night earlier.

The same night that Liz Stride left Kidney,who seems to have been living several doors from Mary Ann Kelly at the time.

Kate may have overnighted at Dorset Street,Shoe Lane,Mile End and .....we know the rest.

Shoe Lane was  Nichols old area many years earlier.They had been friends for over twenty years.Since being Jack's inpatients together.

Hutchinson's late father's hotel was very close by.Just around the corner.

Mile End was an area a soldier who fits the broadshouldered chap's age,etc. may have resided in. Sappers do get pretty fit.


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Re: A Mary Jane Kelly document

Post by Buono on Thu 7 Aug 2014 - 17:13

I wrote that one, Wally. It's no longer up on the site.

It was strange, I agree, but that's because truth is stranger than fiction.

Actual correspondence was incorporated regarding my attempt to arrange a DNA test for a MJK candidate.

It fell through though but it didn't matter anyway. I was trying to prove her son wasn't fathered by her husband by proving the son wasn't related to his so-called cousins.

It turned out there's a family tree online which shows the husband and the aunt who was to supply the DNA had a mother named Mary Jane Kelly so they could have been related to this MJK anyway and messed up the test.

Anyway, I still think the father was a toff character with some ties to high society. Proving it is another matter.

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Re: A Mary Jane Kelly document

Post by Guest on Fri 24 Oct 2014 - 12:32

Here you go: I would start with Bloodline, then Blood Oath and then go to the Lord of the Ties.                                                              
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https://www.scribd.com/doc/237698492/Grail-Killers-9-Bloodline
https://www.scribd.com/doc/239242548/Grail-Killers-10X-Blood-Oath
https://www.scribd.com/doc/240816561/Grail-Killers-11-Lord-of-the-Ties
https://www.scribd.com/doc/241929458/Grail-Killers-12-The-Lords-of-the-Tie

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Re: A Mary Jane Kelly document

Post by Saponarolla on Thu 4 Feb 2016 - 11:07

The Morningstar Pedigree Match

This Ancestry DNA results page image shows American Morningstars descended from German Morgensterns in the pedigree of a MJK candidate's distant cousin match.

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Re: A Mary Jane Kelly document

Post by Saponarolla on Thu 11 Feb 2016 - 19:51

Buono wrote:...regarding my attempt to arrange a DNA test for a MJK candidate.

It fell through though but it didn't matter anyway. I was trying to prove her son wasn't fathered by her husband by proving the son wasn't related to his so-called cousins.

It turned out there's a family tree online which shows the husband and the aunt who was to supply the DNA had a mother named Mary Jane Kelly so they could have been related to this MJK anyway and messed up the test.

Anyway, I still think the father was a toff character with some ties to high society. Proving it is another matter.
This family tree is that of a descendant of the MJK candidate's husband's family uncovered by Livia Trivia. This descendant, from the husband's sisters line, has turned up as a match to the MJK descendant on AncestryDNA.

Fortunately she has a Mary Jane Kelly in her tree as the mother of the sister and therefore the husband.


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Re: A Mary Jane Kelly document

Post by Saponarolla on Thu 11 Feb 2016 - 19:55

Obviously they believe they are related to Kellys.

What Kellys would they be related to if not the Kellys that married their great great uncle?!

The match does not prove therefore that the husband who wasn't in London was the father.

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Re: A Mary Jane Kelly document

Post by Saponarolla on Fri 4 Mar 2016 - 19:28

What is the story behind this branch of the family tree of the husband's family? Why is "Mary Jane Kelly" identified as the mother of his sister? The mother's name was Rose.

We know candidate MJK's son stayed with the sister. Could this be a handed down story of the son's mother who was famous as a Ripper victim evolved into a story of the great grandmother's mother?


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Re: A Mary Jane Kelly document

Post by Saponarolla on Mon 7 Mar 2016 - 21:47

A Facebook message has been sent to the owner of the tree. I'm awaiting response to what is the story behind this Mary Jane Kelly in her tree. She has been furtive in the past but will let you know if there is a response.

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Re: A Mary Jane Kelly document

Post by Saponarolla on Tue 15 Mar 2016 - 0:20

So far, no reply to acknowledge this Mary Jane Kelly.
Sounds like the family of the real Mary Jane Kelly.

Between them and the Morgenstern descendants, Mary must feel like Jesus at the cross. Abandoned.

At least, if the Fenwicks, descended from Wilhelmina Morgenstern and Thomas Fenwick, are related to Elizabeth Phoenix (variation of Fenwick) then at least one relative acknowledged Mary.

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