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Parnell Commission Inquiry

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Parnell Commission Inquiry

Post by Karen on Tue 2 Oct 2012 - 10:56

Twenty-sixth Day of Proceedings - Thursday, December 6, 1888





When the Court opened this morning there were rather more people present than yesterday. The Times counsel were in their seats some time before business commenced, as were also Mr. Biggar and Mr. Davitt. The Attorney-General, Sir Henry James, Mr. Lockwood, Mr. Asquith, and Mr. T. Harrington engaged in a very earnest conversation, which was kept up till the appearance of the Judges.


Immediately on taking his seat the President observed that they were called upon on Tuesday to order the arrest of a Times witness - he thought of the name of Molloy - who had refused to obey his subpoena. He was informed that he had been brought over to London, but the Court considered it would not be convenient that he should be examined today. He therefore proposed that he should be examined tomorrow.
After some conversation between counsel, this course was adopted, the President observing, "Of course he must be brought before us to be dealt with."
Once again arose a conversation with reference to the accounts of accused parties at the Charing-cross Branch of the National Bank. From the statement of Sir Henry James on the matter, it seemed to be understood that nothing in the accounts of a private nature would be made public, and that Mr. Reid and the other side would consult together upon the matter.


A District Inspector of the Royal Irish Constabulary was the first witness today. He was James Royce, who lived in the Schull district in 1880 and 1882. In the latter year he searched the house of Henry O'Mahoney, at Ballydaghob, where he found several books and documents relating to the Land League, being, in fact, a record of the proceedings of the Ballydaghob branch of the League. The documents also included the minutes of the meetings of the League, from which it appeared that several tenants came before the branch, and their disputes with their landlords were discussed. There were also letters from the central body of the League in Dublin, advising the tenants to hold out against the landlords, and promising that the League would pay their expenses.


In the month of February, 1883, Royce continued, he received a parcel handed in at the Ballydaghob post-office, and upon it being examined it was found to contain dynamite.
Who was the parcel addressed to? - I was told to Lord Spencer.
Sir Charles Russell - Do you know of your own personal knowledge?
Witness. - No.
Sir Charles Russell - Well, I object.
Mr. Murphy - We will defer the question for a time. Then (to the witness) had a Mr. Hoddnot, a prominent Land Leaguer, been arrested somewhere about the time of the outrage? - Yes, during the day he was arrested, and the outrage occurred at night.
Was Mr. Hoddnot, jun., prosecuted for the offence? - Yes, and the Jury disagreed twice.
Sir Charles Russell did not put any important questions to the witness. He was accordingly allowed to leave the box. It was announced Daniel Neate would succeed him.
However, before Neate appeared, Sir Charles Russell pressed upon the Court the absolute necessity of having the documents relating to the Ballydaghob outrages put upon permanent record in the official report.
The President thought it would not be absolutely necessary, observing that they "would get buried under the mass of documents."
Sir Charles Russell - Your Lordships probably will.
It was arranged that the documents should be gone through and selections taken from them.


An unusual and unexpected scene followed.
"Where is Molloy?" asked the President.
An usher left the Court, and a few moments later two detectives emerging from the doorway below the judicial bench, with a young, clean-shaven, intelligent-looking man, who carried an overcoat and a red leather portmanteau, entered the Court.
"What is your name," asked the President, as Molloy took his stand by the side of the solicitor's table. - "Patrick Molloy's my name, Sir."


We have been informed (said the Judge) that you were served with a subpoena to attend here. Is that so? - Yes.
Why did you not attend? - The money that I got wasn't sufficient to bring me over.
What was the amount? - 4 pounds 10s. with the subpoena, and I only got the subpoena on Friday, and it wanted me to attend that day.
You admit you received 4 pounds 10s.? - Yes.
After consulting with his colleagues, the President said - In our opinion that was a sufficient sum to bring you over here.
Molloy - It was not.
The President - Well, we think it was, and we have to decide it, you know.
Molloy - Very good, Sir.


The President - And you ought to have attended. Not having done so you have put yourself within the action of the Court, and accordingly I commit you to prison until further orders.
Molloy - Very good, Sir.
The President - You will be required to attend here till tomorrow.
Accompanied by the detectives, Molloy disappeared by the same way as he entered the Court, and was conducted to one of the rooms of the Court.


Head-constable Neate had all this while been complacently regarding the exciting scene from his elevated post of vantage in the witness-box. The door having closed on Molloy and his detective escort, Mr. Murphy rose and examined Neate. The latter proved the receipt from the Ballydaghob postmaster, Richard Dally, the parcel of dynamite Royce had referred to. Dally afterwards handed him a letter he had received. It bore an American stamp mark, but was not signed. It stated that Dally had no right to expose a letter directed to Lord Spencer that was passed through his office. He ought to be a soldier of Ireland, and help to unfurl the green flag; instead of which he was helping the red flag of England. If he did not reform, he would be sacrificed. If he took the writer's advice he would take the side of Ireland. That was the winning side. If he did not, Ballydaghob would be too unhealthy for him to live in.
A witness from Ballyronan, on the borders of Galway and Mayo, was then called by the Attorney-General.


Sir Charles Russell again rose and complained of irregularity. "Have we left county Cork for good?" he asked. "Why are we skipping to Mayo? Surely some order ought to be observed."
The Attorney-General pointed out that this evidence related as much to Galway as to Mayo. They had already dealt with Galway, but he reminded their Lordships that they had intimated that they had not completed the evidence with regard to that county.
The President pointed out to Sir Charles Russell that he had no other guarantee than the statement of counsel.


The witness Michael Burke was then examined by the Attorney-General. He said he was a member of the Land League in Ballyronan, and had collected money for the League. He remembered at a meeting of the League, held shortly before the murder of Lord Mountmorres, that the name of Lord Mountmorres was mentioned.
What was said about him? - It was said that he should be done away with. The name of William Burke, and that of another man were also mentioned as men who should be done away with.
Do you know Pat Carney? - Yes, he was the secretary of the League.


Were you ever called upon by anybody before the murder of Lord Mountmorres? - Yes; Patrick Sweeney came to me. He was a member of the League, and I believe he was a tenant of Lord Mountmorres.
What did he say to you? - He asked if I would assist that evening to do away with Lord Mountmorres.
What did you say? - That I wouldn't, and that I had a wife and family to look after, and I minded them.
Did he say anything more? - Not at that time.
Did anyone else come to you that afternoon? - Patrick Mulrow, who was also a member of the League. He came to me after Sweeney.
What did he say to you? - He said he expected Lord Mountmorres was going to be done away with that evening.
Did you see Lord Mountmorres that afternoon? - I did, Sir.
Walking or driving? - Driving. I saw him twice, driving out and into Clonbar.
When did you leave off work? - At six o'clock.


Where did you go to? - To Patrick Carney's public-house, in Clonbar, where I saw Barrett, Carney, Murphy, Fallen, William Handbury, Pat Hennelly, and William Bourke.
Were they members of the League? - They were.
Did Sweeney say anything more to you? - He asked me at the door if I would lend a hand to do away with Lord Mountmorres.
Did Carney say anything to you? - He asked me at the same time, Sir.
What did he say? - That I'd better go with them and lend them a hand.
What did you say to Carney? - I gave consent to go; at least, I said that I might go.
Did any people leave Carney's house after that? - I missed some of them about seven o'clock, amongst them being Sweeney, Mulrow, Fallen, and Murphy.


Carney spoke to you, and you said you might go. Did Carney say anything to you before that? - Not that I recollect, Sir; but I'm not sure whether he called me a coward or not; but I think he did. When I was going out of the public-house I met some of the men, and they told me to go back, as it was too late. Later in the evening - about half-past eight or nine o'clock - Mulrow returned.
Did you notice anything about him? - I noticed some sort of a wound on his hand. Mulrow and I went home together that night.
Did he say anything to you? - He said they had done away with Lord Mountmorres. I was arrested on suspicion nine or ten weeks after the murder, and remained in jail a month.
Sir Charles Russell intimated that he was in the same position as he was with the witness yesterday. He would, however, put a few questions, and then ask that the cross-examination might be adjourned. Sir Charles very closely cross-examined the witness as to where he had lived in the past years. He asserted that he joined a society about fifteen years ago, and took an oath of secrecy; but he swore positively that he could not say what society it was. After that he went to work in North Shields, and went backwards and forwards between England and Ireland.


"Was that a Ribbon Society you were a member of?" asked Sir Charles, alluding to the society the witness had referred to. - "I don't know what you mean," was the reply.
Are you a "Ribbon" man? - I don't know what you mean.
Sir Charles Russell repeated his question three times, but only succeeded in eliciting the reply, "I don't understand."
The President (addressing the witness angrily) - What was the society you joined? - I don't exactly --. It was something for the purposes of Ireland, any way.
Sir Charles Russell - Did you take an oath, and were you sworn to secrecy? - Yes.
Do you belong to the society now? - No, I left it five or six years ago.
Did you ever make the acquaintance of a jail while you were in the North of England? - No.
Or in Ireland, excepting for the murder of Lord Mountmorres? - Yes; I was put in a prison for a month for a quarrel.


Witness further stated that he joined the Land League six or seven years ago. He paid a shilling and received a card. He, however, refused to swear that he had attended any Land League meetings except those held in the open air, and where public speeches were made. He had attended meetings in Carney's house, but he would not swear whether they were Land League meetings or not, for he could not say.
Now attend to me (said Sir Charles). Will you swear that in 1880 there was a branch of the Land League in Clonbar? - I was told by several persons that there was a Land League in Clonbar, but I can't read or write, so I can't swear.


Then will you swear that you had a Land League card before the murder of Lord Mountmorres - I will not.
Will you swear that you paid a shilling to the Land League before the murder? - I will not.
Then will you swear that anyone told you that there was a branch of the Land League in Clonbar before the murder. Sir Charles repeated his question many times before he could get a direct answer. Witness, however, ultimately asserted that he was told that there was some kind of a branch, but he could not say who told him, or whether he was told it before or after the murder of Lord Mountmorres.


I will remind you what you have sworn, said Sir Charles. Do you now swear that Carney was ever the secretary of the Clonbar branch of the League? - Well, I was told he was secretary to some kind of branch.
Now, come, Sir. Will you swear that any of the persons you have mentioned were members of the Land League before the murder of Lord Mountmorres; or if ever they were members? - I couldn't say. I know meetings were held.
Sir Charles next questioned the witness as to whether there were any secret signs by which he could recognise members of his society, but could get no definite reply from the witness. He, however, said he had met men belonging to the society in Clonbar.


You have told us that you travelled often between the North of England and Ireland. Is it not a fact that you acted as a messenger between your friends in Ireland and your friends in the North of England - in fact, that you were their go-between? - I might have been and I might not. I'm sure I don't know.
On being further questioned, Burke again asserted that Sweeney was the man who first spoke to him about the murder of Lord Mountmorres. The meeting at which it was decided that Lord Mountmorres was to be done away with was held about a fortnight before the murder in the yard of Pat Carney's house. He believed Sweeney was at that meeting.
Have you ever taken firearms or revolvers from England to Ireland? - No, Sir, I never did.


Who first spoke to you about giving your evidence? - The witness gazed up at the ceiling, but for two minutes he neither answered, nor did Sir Charles interpose.
The President, however, did. He was very stern, and remarked, "Come, come, Sir! we can't wait for an indefinite period."
Burke - Well, Sir, I don't understand what the man means. (Loud laughter.)
The laughter having subsided, the question was repeated, and Burke then said he was "summoned by the Crown," correcting the statement by observing that a policeman named Phynne first saw him about giving his evidence. He supposed the reason why he was present now was because he was one of the men arrested for the murder of Lord Mountmorres. He further communicated the fact that he had been in London three weeks now.
And are you in a hurry to get back to Clonbar? - No, I'm not.
I suppose you are enjoying yourself here? - Indade, I am. (Laughter.)
And you are not in a hurry to get back? - Not that I am aware of. (Renewed laughter.)


Burke further said his statement was not taken down until the day before yesterday, but it was read over to him again just before entering the Court that morning. Burke's answers were very characteristic. Some of them caused considerable amusement. For instance, asked a particular question as to certain persons he had conversed with, he would reply, "I might and I might not," or, "I couldn't exactly say, Sorr." Gradually he assumed a very lazy attitude, and leant over the side of the box carelessly. "Come, stand up, Sir," briskly observed Sir Charles. Burke did so, but he observed, "I'm nearly tired of talkin' to ye."
Asked why he promised that he would assist in the murder of Lord Mountmorres, he said that he didn't wish to give "a bad answer" to the man, who was a friend of his.
The Court here adjourned for luncheon.

On resuming Mr. Lockwood asked to be allowed to reserve his cross-examination, to which course the President assented.


"Who do you work for when you are at home?" was Mr. Davitt's first question. "I work for myself. I am a labouring man, and work on my holding."
Then you have a holding? How many acres have you? Have you a hundred or fifty acres? - It would take a clever man like you to tell that, sorr.
"You are permitted to be insolent to me," said Mr. Davitt, angrily, "but answer me this. What rent did you pay for the holding?" - I paid at one time 5 pounds 7s. 6d., but I cannot tell when that was. Mr. Lynch was my landlord. He was the man whose death was proposed at a meeting at Carney's house.
Now did you tell your wife of the meetings which you have mentioned? - What occasion had I.
Mr. Davitt repeated his question several times before witness would state decidedly that he did not tell his wife.
Witness then would not state positively that he had had a conversation with Mallon, the process server, who had served him with the subpoena, with regard to the evidence he was to give.
"Come, come," said Mr. Davitt, impatiently, "you are an intelligent man." - "No, I'm not," replied the witness, amid loud laughter. "I'm a very ignorant man, I assure you." (Renewed laughter.) - "You are too modest about your accomplishments," retorted Mr. Davitt.
Witness, however, could not remember having been brought before Lord Mountmorres for breaches of the law. Neither, he said, did he hear that Lord Mountmorres was a Freemason or an Orangeman. He could not say whether the society he joined was a society of Freemasons or Orangemen or not.


Now, you have told us that you cannot remember the oath you took. Have you ever heard this oath (reading): - "In the presence of Almighty God and this my brother, I do swear that I will suffer my right hand to be cut from my body and laid at the jail door before I will waylay or betray a brother. That I will persevere and not spare from the cradle to the crutch, or from the crutch to the cradle. That I will not pity the moans or the groans of infancy or old age, but I will wade knee deep in Orangemen's blood, and do as King James did"? - I have never heard anything like that.


Will you swear that you took an oath? - I might and I might not.
That means that you did? - It might.
Will you swear that you did not or that you did? - It might. (Laughter.)
Do you recollect anyone coming from England to the locality of Clonbar about the time of the murder of Lord Mountmorres? - I don't know. Perhaps you'd know better than me.
You know that is insolence, I suppose? Will you swear that no stranger from England went there just before the murder? - I don't know. They might and they might not. I certainly saw Lord Mountmorres on the day of the murder.
And, having been spoken to and asked to assist in the murder of Lord Mountmorres, did you take the trouble, as a man, to warn him? - What would I warn him for? I was working for a man, and I couldn't leave my work.
Have you been promised anything with reference to your farm for coming here? - Have I, indade! Why should I? I haven't been "injected." (Laughter.)


Burke's answers to the Attorney-General, in re-examination, were characterised with the same astuteness. He "might, and he might not" know of such-and-such a thing. He could not say this, and he could not say that, and "it might be," but he "couldn't exactly say." Thus Burke fenced the questions with as much persistency as he met the questions of opposing counsel, apparently totally unable to distinguish between friend and foe. Nothing, however, came out in the re-examination, and Burke, who had caused more amusement than any other of his predecessors, left the box.


Peter Horan succeeded him. He is a sergeant in the R.I.C. He was stationed in Millstreet in 1887, when Dr. Tanner addressed a number of people, and denounced the police, stating that their mothers should be ashamed of them. He also said that the women of the district associated with the police, and the men of the district should watch them. Fathers should watch their daughters, and brothers their sisters. A few days after that an outrage upon a woman occurred in the neighbourhood.


Jeremiah Murphy, a farmer living near Millstreet, was the next witness. He had two daughters, and the police were frequent visitors at his house. One night a gang of disguised men visited the house. At the time Murphy and his daughters were sitting at the table, but the men compelled him to turn to the wall, and his daughter got up and went into another room, and he then heard shots fired. A man who was lodging in the house remonstrated with the men, one of whom said, "The police are down here, and the girls are talking to them." After the men left it was found that they had cut the hair off both the girls' heads, and had poured a quantity of tar over the head of the other. One of the daughters he added, had since then gone to Australia, but the other was still living at home.


Evidence of the nature so familiar to readers of the proceedings of the Commission followed. Philip Cremin, a farmer, took a farm from which a person had been evicted near Millstreet, was boycotted, and had to go before the League before he could get men to work for him; was fired at in 1887, and was attacked last February when returning home.
To Mr. Lockwood Cremin communicated the fact that two brothers named Sullivan lived in the neighbourhood, and one of them went to America soon after he was fired at.


Peter Callagher, who lives at Macroon, added a little to the story of the accusers. He stated that he had a mortgage on some land belonging to his cousin, of which he ultimately took possession. He related a story of a midnight visit to his house by masked men. They asked him if he intended to turn out his cousin, and if he had a gun. Callagher said he had, and produced it. One of the men then took the gun and fired at him, he being wounded in the thigh.
In reply to Mr. Lockwood, witness admitted that his cousin was enraged because he took the land. In his opinion two of his cousins made up the party that attacked witness. He did not think the Land League had anything to do with the outrage. Witness claimed compensation, but it was refused, on the ground that it was a family quarrel.


Michael Tinton, who lives near Mitchelstown, next entered the witness-box. He said that in 1881 he paid his rent. After that his house was attacked by "Moonlighters," and the windows were broken.
"Do you believe that your paying your rent had anything to do with it?" asked Mr. Lockwood. - "I cannot say it had."
"There was no Land League in the district at that time," he added, in reply to Mr. E. Harrington.
The Court then adjourned.


Mr. James R. O'Connor, president of a branch of the National League, left Listowel, yesterday, to give evidence for the Times in the Parnell Commission. In 1885 Mr. O'Connor sought Parliamentary honours as an Independent Nationalist, withdrawing, however, in favour of Mr. Parnell's nominee.

Source: The Echo, Thursday December 6, 1888, pp. 2-3

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