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Post by Karen on Thu 2 Aug 2012 - 8:55

I have found the following information on the FreeBMD database - here, you may find all of the marriages wherein the groom is named Joseph Barnett

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1886 (>99%)
BARNETT Joseph Redruth 5c 269
BROWN Richard Redruth 5c 269
Jeffery Emily Jane Redruth 5c 269
MAY Edith Redruth 5c 269

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1887 (>99%)
BARNACLE Emily Rugby 6d 463
BARNETT Joseph Rugby 6d 463

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1887 (>99%)
Barnett Joseph Henry Salford 8d 191
GOGARTY Margaret Ann Salford 8d 191
Kane Lavinia Salford 8d 191
McQuillan John Salford 8d 191

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1887 (>99%)
Aldrich Edward Henry Hackney 1b 884
BARNETT Joseph Hackney 1b 884
JOHNSON Emily Alexandra Hackney 1b 884
Rowe Louise Hackney 1b 884

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1887 (>99%)
BARNETT Joseph Mt. Drayton 6a 1238
BEESTON Elizabeth Mt. Drayton 6a 1238
Dupont Adelphine Market Drayton 6a 1238
SHUKER Edward Mt. Drayton 6a 1238

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1887 (>99%)
BARNETT Joseph Abingdon 2c 331
BURGESS Caroline Alresford 2c 331
FORD William Alresford 2c 331

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1888 (>99%)
BARNETT Joseph Montague Bradford, Y. 9b 289
DAY Esther Bradford, Y. 9b 289
Hammond Elizabeth Bradford, Y. 9b 289
Simpson Thomas Bradford, Y. 9b 289

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1888 (>99%)
BARNETT Joseph Henry Durham 10a 499
BEST Margaret Durham 10a 499
Hudspith David Durham 10a 499
LEWIS Elizabeth Ann Durham 10a 499

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1888 (>99%)
BARNETT Joseph Rotherham 9c 1013
HILL Annie Eliza Rotherham 9c 1013
ROYS Hannah Mary Rotherham 9c 1013
SMITH Thomas Rotherham 9c 1013

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1889 (>99%)
BARNETT Joseph Westbury S. 6a 449
BROWN Thomas Westbury S 6a 449
HARRIS Louisa Westbury S. 6a 449
Jenkins Emily Westbury S 6a 449

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Post by Karen on Thu 2 Aug 2012 - 9:09

There was also a Mary Louisa Barnett - and this was found in The Temperance Caterer of 1904:

Catering Trade Patents.

This List is specially compiled for the "Temperance Caterer" by Messrs. Rayner & Co., Registered Patent Agents, 37, Chancery Lane, London, from whom all information relating to patents, designs, trade-marks, copyrights, &c., may be obtained gratuitously.

Patent Number 10,255 - Mary Louisa Barnett and Correze Bernes. An improved stirring device for kitchen use. May 4th, 1904.

Source: The Temperance Caterer, 1904, Page 24

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Post by Guest on Mon 7 Apr 2014 - 10:28

Karen, what do you think about this being our Joe's marriage?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1887 (>99%)
Aldrich Edward Henry Hackney 1b 884
BARNETT Joseph Hackney 1b 884
JOHNSON Emily Alexandra Hackney 1b 884
Rowe Louise Hackney 1b 884

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Re: Joseph Barnett's Alleged Marriage in 1888

Post by Karen on Tue 8 Apr 2014 - 22:14

Maybea,

Well, it is possible that this Joseph Barnett is the one who lived in Miller's Court, but I was under the assumption that Joseph met Mary Jane Kelly on April 8, 1887, and they agreed to move in together immediately. So how could he have married Louise Rowe in September when he was living with Mary Jane at that time?

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Re: Joseph Barnett's Alleged Marriage in 1888

Post by Guest on Wed 9 Apr 2014 - 15:05

I'm thinking Barnett lied about his life with Mary or withheld information about a double life.

Someone on Casebook says he's ordering the marriage certificate so I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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Re: Joseph Barnett's Alleged Marriage in 1888

Post by Guest on Sat 12 Apr 2014 - 15:08

The certificate has this Joseph Barnett reported as a Mariner with a father Michael. If true, this means it's not Joe Barnett, fish porter, father John.


http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?p=291175


But if he was married in 1887, you'd have to say his statements about his life with Mary Kelly were lies and he's a liar, so it makes sense he might have lied on his marriage certificate. It wouldn't be the first time.

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Re: Joseph Barnett's Alleged Marriage in 1888

Post by Guest on Sat 19 Apr 2014 - 13:31

Correction: the certificate says this Joe Barnett is a Musician.

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?p=290957#post290957

His father is Michael, a coachman.

The only closely-matching person in the census is in Lancashire in 1891, working in an asylum.

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Re: Joseph Barnett's Alleged Marriage in 1888

Post by Mr Hyde on Sat 19 Apr 2014 - 23:59

Hi Maybea!

 I mean this in a nice way.....the continued links to "casebook" are annoying and probably insulting.

 OT,however.....Eddowes was passing herself off as Mary Ann Kelly.

 Oddly,a Barnett family used to live at 6 Fashion COURT.

 Lot of interesting original posts on this site.

 Might be worthwhile reading some of them.

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Re: Joseph Barnett's Alleged Marriage in 1888

Post by Karen on Mon 21 Apr 2014 - 15:24

Mr. Hyde,

The consistent links to Casebook are a necessary component to the clinical diagnosis of insanity.

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Re: Joseph Barnett's Alleged Marriage in 1888

Post by Guest on Wed 23 Apr 2014 - 15:55

...Unless they are links to my posts on Casebook (ha ha) or those of people who order marriage certificates you and I are interested in which saves you and I money!

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Re: Joseph Barnett's Alleged Marriage in 1888

Post by Mr Hyde on Fri 25 Apr 2014 - 3:48

Hi Maybea.

 There is no record of "our" Joseph Barnett ever marrying.

 Certainly not the year before 1888 or 20 years afterwards.

 I could be wrong,however the title and OP of this thread might be implying just that.

 Fairly sure that in his final years he lived with a defacto named Louisa and that she used his surname.

 Honestly,I'm only attempting to help.

 All the Best,

                 Edward.

PS. Barnett's real importance may be the possibility that the five murders might not have happened,if he kept his job.

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Re: Joseph Barnett's Alleged Marriage in 1888

Post by Guest on Thu 1 May 2014 - 14:36

Thanks for your help, Edward.

It is looking more and more like Joe Barnett didn't marry Louisa so it will be difficult to say the least to find her maiden name.

She herself may have no bearing on the case, especially if he took up with her after he left Mary Kelly.

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Re: Joseph Barnett's Alleged Marriage in 1888

Post by Saponarolla on Thu 25 Feb 2016 - 10:45

If there's any truth to the American newspaper report that Joe took up with someone who testified at the inquest, perhaps it was a sister of a witness.

In this case, I might suggest Sarah Lewis' older sister, Emily. She was born in Bethnal Green like Joe's wife Louisa around 1862. Louisa might have gone by the name Emily in 1901. Louisa could come from the name Lewis.

I can't find her or a marriage after 1871.

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Re: Joseph Barnett's Alleged Marriage in 1888

Post by Saponarolla on Mon 29 Feb 2016 - 18:27

According to this site, Emily Lewis was also called Louisa on the 1871 census.
 
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=181184.0

It is agreed that she is the daughter of Thomas Stoodley Lewis but there is come confusion about where she and her sister Sarah are in 1871.

This other site agrees with the census source above calling her Louisa.

https://www.geni.com/people/Emily/6000000038402850339


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Re: Joseph Barnett's Alleged Marriage in 1888

Post by Saponarolla on Mon 29 Feb 2016 - 22:38

The LewisFamilyTree on Ancestry says that "Emily Alexandra Lewis" sister of Sarah Lewis/Gottheimer, MJK witness, died in 1926.

"Louisa" Barnett also died in 1926.

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Post by Saponarolla on Mon 29 Feb 2016 - 23:34

It looks like this Emily married a Beckwieth but at least two of the other older sisters had the name Emily or  Emma. It seems to run in the family.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=180420.0

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Post by Saponarolla on Wed 16 Mar 2016 - 11:53

Mary Ann Emily Lewis born in 1852 looks like someone worth researching.
Or Frances Emma b. 1856.

1861

Walter Lewis           3   Bethnal Green Son
Thomas s Lewis         34   Poplar             Head   Master Grocer employ. 1
mary ann lewis          38   Lambeth          Wife
Thomas george lewis 11  bethnal Green  Son
Mary Ann Emily Lewis  9          #                Dau
Edward Henry Lewis   7           #              Son
Frances Emma lewis   5            #                #
Eliza Lewis                 1            #                 #
Frederick Fesk            16 Surlingham     Servant   Assistant

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