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Who Poisoned James Maybrick?

Post by Karen on Sun 28 Feb 2010 - 4:35

Poisoning Of Mr. Maybrick.

Cablegrams have made such a concern about the poisoning of Mr. Maybrick, a Liverpool merchant, that one would think his death was of the importance of that of the Emperor of Russia. Yesterday the cable stated that Maybrick had told a witness who gave evidence at the inquest that he was in the habit of taking arsenic. A day or two before we were told that the wife committed adultery with another man and poisoned her husband's medicine. Under date London, May 24, the following message was published: - "Mrs. Adams, widow of Stephen Adams, the well known song composer, has been arrested on the charge of poisoning her husband's brother James Maybrick, a merchant of Liverpool." In the Australian papers the message appeared as follows: - "London May 18th - Mrs. Maybrick, a niece of Jefferson Davis, who was President of the Confederate States, of America, has been arrested on a charge of poisoning her husband, a Liverpool merchant." "London May 20th. - A widow has been arrested upon a charge of poisoning James Maybrick, a Liverpool merchant, who was the brother of her late husband. Later. - Mrs. Maybrick who poisoned her late husband's brother, is a niece of Jefferson Davis." Later. - "Mrs. Maybrick (not Mrs. Adams as previously telegraphed) who is accused of poisoning her husband's brother, is a niece of Mr. Jefferson Davis, ex-President of the Confederate States." Now, will somebody be good enough to say who poisoned Mr. Maybrick?

Source: Poverty Bay Herald, Volume XVI, Issue 5492, 5 June 1889, Page 3
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Re: Who Poisoned James Maybrick?

Post by Guest on Sat 31 Jan 2015 - 6:11

From what I can tell, after studying the evidence for some years now, it was a combination of the following people and factors: James himself (through his own intake of strychnine), Michael Maybrick (administering strychnine to James, through pills etc.), Thomas and Edwin (by laudanum poisoning) and, finally, the doctors themselves through over subscription of various medicines.

Michael's motive, I am certain, was that he knew James was the Whitechapel killer. I believe his suspicions were first aroused after the murder of Mary Kelly. Thomas and Edwin, however, simply wanted James out of the way so that they could gain his business.

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Re: Who Poisoned James Maybrick?

Post by Guest on Sat 31 Jan 2015 - 10:46

Hello labete and welcome.

I too believe it was Michael. Couldn't Thomas and Edwin be unwitting dupes?

What was it about the Kelly murder that aroused Michael's suspicions? Did they know her? Do you think she is the key and finding out her identity would help solve the case?

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Re: Who Poisoned James Maybrick?

Post by Guest on Mon 2 Feb 2015 - 6:20

Hi Maybea.

I think Edwin was certainly under Michael's influence, if for no other reason than that of Edwin looking up to Michael because he was the older brother. They certainly both lied copiously throughout the trial (and after) about James' intake of drugs. Mind you, most of the people that were connected to Michael and/or London seem to be conveniently unaware of James' drug misuse.

As for Michael, I believe he became suspicious of James for several reasons. Firstly, there was the close proximity of James' visits to London - and him - and the time of the killings. Michael was not stupid, and I believe the killing of Kelly was final confirmation for Michael that James was the Whitechapel murderer. 

Secondly, if the Diary of Jack the Ripper is genuine (and I firmly believe that that is), then it is the only document we have that actually gives you a reason why someone was walking about the filthy backstreets of Whitechapel, in the early hours of the morning, dressed in - what can only be described as - 'Toff's' attire: if James had left Michael the previous evening, as stated, then James could hardly have left Michael in the kind of outfit needed to fit in with the locals of Dorset Street; he would have to have left Michael's home in smart dress. Without the forethought or opportunity to bring a change of clothing, James would have had no choice but to walk the streets in the same clothing he left Michael's in. If Michael read the descriptions in the newspapers, he could not have failed to become suspicious (if not more than he already was) about James.

Thirdly, the things in the Kelly crime scene photograph that I have mentioned many times before on other sites, and that were clearly subject to a separate police investigation at the time, would have been easily viewable to Michael. If these photographs were obtainable to Walter Sickert (as the clearly were), then Michael, as a 30th degree mason, would have had no trouble in getting hold of them. This has nothing to do with a masonic conspiracy (although James was a mason too); it is simply to do with the old adage of 'It's not what you know but who you know.'

Lastly, in the diary, it states that James felt confident that Michael would not find out because he addressed all his letters to him (James). But supposing Michael had already become suspicious (especially after the hearing about the Kelly murder) and he decided to test the water by sending a letter or telegram to someone else in Liverpool (or Battlecrease) to see if James was actually at home. Yes, this is conjecture, but it is an intriguing thought, and not something that would have been beyond Michael.

In the end Maybea, I believe that very few people knew that James was Jack the Ripper. In fact, I think it was probably only Michael that really knew for certain (Florence was undoubtedly told, but I don't think she believed him). There is no way Michael would have been allowed to do what he did after James' death, and been allowed to get that close to royalty (living on the Isle of Wight, the seat of Osborne house) if it had have been widely know. Either that, or there are some very forgiving people high up in the Royal and English establishment.

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Re: Who Poisoned James Maybrick?

Post by Guest on Mon 2 Feb 2015 - 13:47

Why do you think Florence was using arsenic?

They say it was for "skin eruptions". Until now, I always thought that meant acne, but now I think it was something more serious - something she didn't want to make public even if it would have helped her defence.


If it could be officially proven that James was a Mason, that would give Michael another good motive to kill him, that wasn't just personal. My guess was that James might have been kicked out before or after initiation because of the Masonic elements in the crimes were not a tribute to the Masons as usually portrayed.

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Re: Who Poisoned James Maybrick?

Post by Guest on Tue 3 Feb 2015 - 5:50

Hi Maybea.

So you think that Florence was using arsenic for something other than the standard acne treatment? That's an interesting idea. Certainly all the evidence points to her using it as a basic facial preparation, but I suppose there could have been something more sinister there. :/

As for James, it has already been proven that he was a mason (18th degree) in his early years and that he had a sporadic relationship with it in his later life. He may even have had more than this. From the evidence I have seen, James was certainly active - and known by others to be active - within certain places in masonic community (strangely some that he had no real reason to be involved in). I am currently conducting a full genealogical search on James' masonic career. Hopefully that will shed a bit more light on why James was doing what he was doing at the time.

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Re: Who Poisoned James Maybrick?

Post by Mr Hyde on Tue 3 Feb 2015 - 16:12

Reckon James Maybrick slowly poisoned James Maybrick.

 Malaria would have made things worse.

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Re: Who Poisoned James Maybrick?

Post by Guest on Tue 3 Feb 2015 - 18:46

There is a question whether James even had malaria or was using that malady to cover up something else, like syphilis, which he may have passed on to Florence. (Livia Trivia)

Arsenic is also used as a treatment for syphilis and so was Fowler's solution, also prescribed for James.

Syphilis causes ulcers on the skin. Could this be the "skin eruption"?

http://jmvh.org/article/arsenic-the-poison-of-kings-and-the-saviour-of-syphilis/

Michael Maybrick's actions were highly suspicious, least of which was his apparently successful attempt to frame Florence, who may have had the same embarrassing ailment and the same reason to use arsenic.

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Re: Who Poisoned James Maybrick?

Post by Guest on Wed 4 Feb 2015 - 5:34

It's more than possible that James contracted an STD at some point in his life. He was, after all, putting it about a bit. Mind you, so was Florence by all accounts.

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Re: Who Poisoned James Maybrick?

Post by Saponarolla on Sat 27 Feb 2016 - 16:26

This death was like The Murder on the Orient Express with Florence left out and even the victim helping when she declined.

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/history/89558-arsenic-victorian-viagra-poisoned-britain.html

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